Episode 260
Behind the Mic - Our Journey to Good Enough Together
After a two-year hiatus, Shannon and Janine realized their new listeners might not know who they are! In this fun episode, we share the friendship origin story that began with dogs with Addison's disease, and blossomed into a 24-year friendship built on different personalities that complement each other.
What You’ll Learn:
• How we met through a listserv for dogs with Addison's disease in 2001 (02:50)
• The canceled conference and Shannon's flight on one of the first planes after 9/11 (05:25)
• Why Janine's friends thought they'd known each other for 15 years when they had just met (07:45)
• Their different approaches to challenges: Shannon's mountain climbing vs. Janine's cozy preferences (18:50)
• Shannon's solo 200+ mile Camino de Santiago walk through Portugal and Spain (23:40)
Key Takeaways for Building Authentic Relationships
Friendship doesn't require similarity: Shannon and Janine's 24-year bond proves that different personalities can create beautiful balance. While Shannon loves an outdoor adventure like walking the Camino, mountain climbing and marathons, Janine's more of an “indoor cat" preferring knitting and more cozy challenges.
Trust creates transformation: Janine has a policy of trying anything Shannon suggests because she's learned to trust her friend's judgment completely. This has led to life-changing discoveries like YNAB and wool clothing.
Embrace your natural preferences: Whether you're drawn to physical challenges like Shannon or mental challenges like Janine, honoring your authentic self leads to better relationships and decisions.
Good partnerships complement each other: Their different strengths—Shannon's coaching expertise and Janine's organizing skills—create a richer experience for everyone around them.
The Bottom Line
True friendship isn't about being identical—it's about finding someone whose differences complement your strengths and whose trust allows you both to grow. Whether you're naturally "good enough" like Janine or working toward it like Shannon, the key is embracing your authentic self while staying open to gentle pushes from people who truly know and care about you.
Listener Action: Think of one person in your life whose suggestions you trust. What's one thing they've recommended that you've been hesitant to try? Consider giving it a shot this week—you might discover something wonderful about yourself.
Connect With Us
Have questions about our friendship or want to know more about our individual journeys? We’d love to hear from you! Leave us a voicemail at 413-424-GTGE (4843) or find us on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube @gettingtogoodenough.
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Financial Peace: How Smart Money Strategies and YNAB End Financial Stress (Best of GTGE) - Discover the financial tool that Shannon introduced to Janine and that she now loves "to the universe and back"
Transcript
Hey, there.
Speaker A:Welcome to getting to Good Enough.
Speaker A:I'm Shannon Wilkinson.
Speaker B:And I'm Jeanine Adams.
Speaker B:We're here for practical and fun conversations about living with more ease and way less stress.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:We're all about embracing progress over perfection.
Speaker A:So grab a tasty beverage and let's get started.
Speaker A:Hey, Deneen.
Speaker A:Hey, Shannon.
Speaker B:How you doing?
Speaker A:I'm pretty good.
Speaker A:How are you?
Speaker B:I'm great.
Speaker B:I'm happy to.
Speaker B:To be here.
Speaker B:And as much as I resisted doing this on video, it's delightful to see your face while I'm talking to you.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It makes it a little bit more personal, I guess.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:You were thinking it.
Speaker A:Maybe it did something different, but.
Speaker B:Well, it.
Speaker B:No, it felt personal before.
Speaker B:So I was trying to figure out.
Speaker A:A little bit more, though, like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, I guess.
Speaker A:After we recorded last week's episode, we realized that for our new listeners and maybe to refresh our old listeners, our existing listeners, that we hadn't really introduced ourselves again.
Speaker A:And it's been a while.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We used to say in the intro that you're a life coach who is a recovering perfectionist who's getting better at good enough, and then I'm a certified professional organizer who is naturally good at good enough.
Speaker B:But we stopped saying that so somebody would have no idea.
Speaker B:I could be a chemical engineer.
Speaker B:For all anybody knows.
Speaker B:You could be, however, I am not.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And we thought it would be fun to introduce ourselves and.
Speaker A:And share a little bit about how different we are, I guess, in many respects.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And lots.
Speaker B:There's lots of similarities, too.
Speaker B:I think the foundationally.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And I also think how we met is interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we have a meet cute.
Speaker B:Don't we have a meet cute story?
Speaker A:We do have a meet cute.
Speaker A:Why don't you share it?
Speaker B:You always tell it better than I do, but I'll start.
Speaker B: We met in: Speaker B:Hadn't met yet in person.
Speaker B:Anna.
Speaker B:Listserv, I believe.
Speaker B:Was it a listserv?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And for people whose dogs had the same unusual, rare disease.
Speaker B:Relatively rare disease, which was Addison's disease.
Speaker A:Right, right, right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Pass it to you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we both had dogs with Addison's disease.
Speaker A:I had a Great Dane Booker, which you may or may not hear throughout our episodes.
Speaker A:And you had a poodle, Kramer, A beautiful standard black poodle.
Speaker A:Black standard poodle.
Speaker A:And we sort of connected on the listserv through the discussions that everyone was having and started, I guessing, emailing at that time.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Directly to each other.
Speaker A:I'm trying to remember, like, what was the world like before texting and texting and.
Speaker A:And DMS and social media.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:Yeah, we just started.
Speaker B:We connected.
Speaker B:We had sort of the same sensibilities about holistic health care, veterinary care and so forth.
Speaker B:And so we would talk in offline, as they say, until we actually got to meet in person only a year later.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And we were going to meet in person because there was a conference that we both wanted to go to that was about dog health, animal health in Chicago.
Speaker A:And you said, why don't you fly to St. Louis and then from Portland.
Speaker A:From Portland and we'll drive to Chicago, go to the conference, come back to St. Louis, and then you can fly home the next day.
Speaker A:Great idea.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Got some good togetherness in there, but not too much because, you know.
Speaker B:Conference.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, so I thought that would be really fun.
Speaker A:I booked my ticket and as soon as I pressed by, I got an email that said the conference was canceled.
Speaker A:And this was really like before Skype or anything, so we not even really seeing each other as much as we're seeing each other right now.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And you said, hey, if it's not too weird.
Speaker A:Oh, and by the way, it was like a four day conference, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you built in a day or two on either side.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like fly in the next day.
Speaker A:We would drive, then it would be like four day conference and then we'd drive back home and then I would fly home.
Speaker A:So it was like a week that I was going to be there.
Speaker A:And you're like, if it's not too weird, why don't you come?
Speaker A:Anyway, I was like, okay, okay.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I was so disappointed that I wasn't going to get to meet you.
Speaker B:So I was delighted that you were okay with coming.
Speaker B:Anyway, so we had a solid week together.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we thought that would be really great.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I actually forgot about that part of the story.
Speaker B:Well, did you not?
Speaker B:Not permanently, but just in the retelling of it.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So was your flight canceled?
Speaker A:Yes, everybody got flights.
Speaker A:It was grounded.
Speaker A:And then I don't remember when they lifted the grounding of all planes and they started flying, but I was on one of the first flights.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it was the 11th was a Tuesday.
Speaker B:And you came in on Saturday is my recollection.
Speaker B:And I picked you up at the airport.
Speaker B:I went in to meet you at security and there was nobody in that airport.
Speaker B:I mean, there were like just A handful of brave souls.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And there was pretty much no one on the flight, as I recall.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I went to St. Louis.
Speaker A:We met, like, it was like we'd always known each other.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I remember driving.
Speaker B:You driving home from the airport and start, you know, just catching up.
Speaker B:I'm not catching up.
Speaker B:Asking questions and learning that, for example, you had gone to a women's college.
Speaker B:I had gone to a women's college.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:That's amazing.
Speaker B:And here's all these things.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you had grown up in the Pacific Northwest, where I had grown up where I still live.
Speaker A:And there were all these things that we had in common that we didn't realize.
Speaker A:And one of the funny things I remember is it must have been Rosh Hashanah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Would have been.
Speaker A:And we went to your friend's house for dinner, and they all assumed that you and I had gone to college together and had known each other for however many years that would have been.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:At that time, it would have been.
Speaker A:25 years or something.
Speaker B:15 years.
Speaker B:15 years.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I graduated.
Speaker A:I had the math in my head.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, like, 15 years.
Speaker A:But anyway, they thought we had known each other a long time.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, no, we just met yesterday or whatever.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That is crazy.
Speaker A:It was really funny.
Speaker A:It was a good time, and I loved all your friends and your husband, and we just had a really great week.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Except for the going up in the arch part.
Speaker B:Oh, you're such a baby.
Speaker B:That was that trip.
Speaker B:That was that trip.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That was a stinky trip up to the top of the arch.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:We rode with some people who didn't share our same sensibilities with perhaps washing their clothes and their bodies very frequently.
Speaker B:I was wondering how you were gonna put that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:People who haven't gone to the top of the Arch in St. Louis.
Speaker A:You should do it.
Speaker A:We did it again.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was gonna say, you've done it twice now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It was much more pleasant the last time.
Speaker A:We have a picture from the three of us going up in the arch.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:This last time, you get in, like, this little capsule thing and it does this weird little sort of ratcheting thing up to.
Speaker B:To keep you upright.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You know, you don't.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it's jarring.
Speaker A:It's jarring.
Speaker A:And at the time, I felt a little claustrophobic in there.
Speaker A:It wasn't pleasant.
Speaker B:It's definitely nicer to be there without people, without strangers.
Speaker B:So when we went out, especially stinky strangers, And I don't have a good sense of smell, and Shannon has a very good sense of smell, so I. I didn't even notice.
Speaker B:And you were about to pass out.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, and the thing that I think is amazing is given that you live in Portland and I live in St. Louis, I think that we have not had a calendar year in which we did not see each other since then.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker B:So that's 24 years.
Speaker B:That's pretty great.
Speaker B:Even during COVID So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, we got together.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A: In: Speaker B:Before.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:In January.
Speaker A: And then in: Speaker B:Vaccinated, I went to Walla Walla, and I think I stopped in Portland.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That has made it convenient over the years to see each other because you would frequently fly into Portland and then drive to Walla Walla.
Speaker B:Such a pretty drive between the two.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And once or twice.
Speaker B:Or once you went with me.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Just the two of us.
Speaker B:You just went for the fun of it.
Speaker B:To Walla Walla.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:For like a week.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:For a long time.
Speaker B:And then you came other times as well, when I needed you.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Yeah, now that I don't go to Walla Walla so much, my parents have passed away.
Speaker B:We're still managed, but it's not quite as easy.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:Well, now we just have to make a little bit more of an effort.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:And we're willing to do that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But in the past, because professionally, we had been doing similar things, like pet riding.
Speaker A:We would go to see the Westminster Kennel Club many years in a row.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the Dog Riders association of America gala awards Banquet.
Speaker B:And remember, we went to the Cat Riders association as well, didn't we?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:We went to Houston to the.
Speaker A:To the International Cat Fanciers Show.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:When the judge thought that I wrote for a.
Speaker A:Was doing a piece for a different outlet, for a significant, significantly bigger one, I was doing what?
Speaker A:A piece for a local Portland paper.
Speaker B:Which show are we talking about?
Speaker A:The Cat Fancy Show.
Speaker B:The Cat show.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Huh.
Speaker B:I don't remember this at all.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:You don't remember this?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So I was doing a piece for the local Dog Knows News.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:The Dog Knows News.
Speaker A:She thought I was doing a piece for, I think the Dog News, which was like a national.
Speaker A:Big.
Speaker B:Like a trade publication.
Speaker B:It was a big deal.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And someone had.
Speaker A:Or no, I had gone up and introduced myself to her and saying, you know, I'm here.
Speaker A:I'm writing a Piece.
Speaker A:I know nothing about cat shows.
Speaker A:Someone told me that I should be there when you're doing judging because you do a good job of explaining stuff.
Speaker A:And then I sat down and thought that was the end of it.
Speaker A:And she was getting ready to start her judging and said, before we get started, we have a very special guest here today.
Speaker A:Is this coming back to you now?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:You were there.
Speaker B:I was there.
Speaker A:You were there.
Speaker A:And she's like, I'd like to introduce you all to Shannon Wilkinson from the Dog News.
Speaker A:And, like, had me stand.
Speaker A:Stand up.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And what I remember most was about you being there was like someone goes and did a big woo.
Speaker A:And you afterwards, were laughing so hard.
Speaker A:You're like, you got a woo.
Speaker B:That's awesome.
Speaker B:Did you tell her that you were actually with the Dog Nose News?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:There was no opportunity.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker A:There was no opportunity.
Speaker A:And then she's like, okay, let's get started.
Speaker A:Started.
Speaker A:And I just sat down and was completely mortified.
Speaker B:I can't believe.
Speaker B:I don't remember that.
Speaker B:That is so great.
Speaker B:Yeah, those, those, those pet things events were fun.
Speaker B:I mean, they were their own thing, right?
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's no experience, like being behind the scenes at Westminster where there's dogs with rollers in their hair and it's all kinds of things going on.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And then at the cat show.
Speaker A:That was an experience unto itself.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Cat shows are really interesting.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:Especially when you're used to dog shows because you can't get a cat to run around the ring with you.
Speaker B:So they have to have other ways of showing them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is basically they just lift them up and stretch them out and turn them around.
Speaker A:Someone's like waving a toy in front of their face.
Speaker B:And I feel like they.
Speaker B:They will stick.
Speaker B:Start out by sticking a toy in the crate that the cat's in.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And seeing.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, all the cats are set there in crates.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Something.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So we've been together in many different places as well as Portland and walla Walla and St. Louis.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Very fortunate.
Speaker A:I know, it's great.
Speaker A:I don't even know how.
Speaker A:We just were so comfortable together from the very beginning.
Speaker A:But we were.
Speaker A:And then, you know, over time.
Speaker A:When we first met, you were a writer full time and I was doing invest relations.
Speaker A:I had an investor relations consulting practice.
Speaker A:And then I started doing some pet writing.
Speaker A:And then our careers sort of evolved and we ended up collaborating on a number of different things.
Speaker B:Well, that's true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We've had workshops together.
Speaker B:We've had tele classes.
Speaker B:What do we call these other kinds of classes?
Speaker B:E courses.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, we had E courses because we.
Speaker B:Yeah, we jump at every chance we can to collaborate.
Speaker B: you know, the podcast back in: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And now we're back.
Speaker A:Really fun.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we.
Speaker A:But we've also done a lot of dissimilar things over the years.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I was just thinking about that.
Speaker B:All for those similarities.
Speaker B:There are lots of differences.
Speaker B:Like, as my friend Geralyn says, I'm an indoor cat, so I like and do cozy inside things.
Speaker B:And you like to go outside and do dangerous outside things.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:I mean, I have in the past done some things that were maybe a little more risky than others, but it's not like I'm out there courting danger these days.
Speaker B:Fair enough.
Speaker B:I didn't want to make it sound like you're a tornado chaser or something, but, I mean, you were climbing mountains.
Speaker B:Mountains.
Speaker B:And one day you called me and said, I'm climbing by myself, so I'm going to call you when I'm done.
Speaker B:And if I don't call you, here's the emergency number to call.
Speaker B:I'm like, what?
Speaker B:And I'm not going to say no to that, of course, but I was a little nervous until you called me.
Speaker B:And also, like, why are you doing this by yourself?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Why, Shannon?
Speaker B:But you made it.
Speaker A:I did.
Speaker A:Well, because it was New Year's Day, and I knew at least two groups that were going to be climbing, and so I knew that I wasn't really going to be alone, that there were going to be other people on the mountain.
Speaker A:And this was a climb of Mount St. Helens, and that actually ended up being my last mountain climb.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:I don't think I realized that.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, I get.
Speaker B:Was climbing by yourself a goal?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Well, it was something that I wanted to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And it was an amazing experience.
Speaker A:I'm so glad I did it.
Speaker A:And I felt completely safe the whole time.
Speaker A:And the reason why I gave you the information is because there's no cell service there.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And you know, it's safety.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because you're a smart gal.
Speaker B:You're not a party girl.
Speaker A:Someone.
Speaker A:Someone needed to know where I was going and what I was doing.
Speaker A:And I wasn't gonna tell my mom.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I was just, like, you weren't stressed out about it, but I was.
Speaker B:But that's fine.
Speaker B:I stayed inside and everything was fine.
Speaker B:Yeah, but you, like, you run marathon or you have run marathons.
Speaker B:I don't think you're a marathoner.
Speaker B:Currently.
Speaker A:I am.
Speaker A:I'm not currently a marathoner.
Speaker B:I have walked a half marathon.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:But you know what's really funny?
Speaker A:When you walk, we're walking half marathons.
Speaker A:I thought that was.
Speaker A:That was a lot like.
Speaker A:I didn't know how you did that.
Speaker B:That was because you weren't running yet.
Speaker B:Right, right, right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So you were impressed.
Speaker B:Now you're less impressed.
Speaker A:I'm guessing I'm still impressed that you.
Speaker B:Did it, given my propensity to not exercise.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But also, you know, walking 13.1 miles is an achievement, for sure.
Speaker B:That's time consuming anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It takes a while.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You're a big traveler.
Speaker A:Yes, I love traveling.
Speaker A: ng thing, I did a big walk in: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: was supposed to go in May of: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A: So then it was in: Speaker A:There are many places to start, but I started in Porto, Portugal, and walked to Santiago de Compostela, Spain.
Speaker B:And what was the distance?
Speaker A:It was a little bit over 200 miles.
Speaker B:Amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I walked, I think, 16 days.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I averaged about 13 miles a day.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:For 16 days.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:And you did.
Speaker A:But I had days that were like five or six miles, and then I had days that were like 18.
Speaker A:I think I had.
Speaker A:I think I might have had one 20 mile day.
Speaker B:Wow, that's impressive.
Speaker B:And you didn't.
Speaker B:You did it unaccompanied.
Speaker B:I mean, I imagine you talk to people along the way, but you weren't walking with somebody.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:I was by myself.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I did have a friend, Jonathan, who was living in Portugal at the time, and he actually picked me up at the airport in Porto, which was really nice, and got me settled in my hotel room.
Speaker A:And then we went to dinner.
Speaker A:And then the next day, I had just found out a couple days previously on social media that another person I knew was walking at the same time.
Speaker A:She was starting a day later than me, and so I met her for breakfast, and then I just started walking.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Amazing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then I met Jonathan in the town he was living in at the time and.
Speaker A:And took a rest day at his apartment, which was really nice, particularly because it was pouring rain that day.
Speaker A:But I got to do actual laundry in a washing machine as opposed to washing my clothes in the sink or the shower every day.
Speaker A:So that was nice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And then that rest day meant that I ran into my friend again.
Speaker B:Oh, nice.
Speaker B:Did you walk with her at all or was she resting?
Speaker A:I walked with her.
Speaker A:I walked with her a little bit, and then we just walked at different paces.
Speaker A:So I walked with her and her friend for a little bit and then I went on my way and I met interesting people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All along the way.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, it sounds amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:When I got to Santiago, my husband was waiting for me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's so cool.
Speaker A:Which is really nice.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I mean, you like.
Speaker B:We both like challenges.
Speaker B:We just like different kinds of challenges from each other.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But yeah, you enjoy a challenge and it's fun to plan a trip and.
Speaker B:Or at the project and make it happen.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I do love a challenge.
Speaker A:And you, like you said, also love a challenge, but a different kind.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:How many postcards did you write?
Speaker B:Oh, I don't.
Speaker B:I've written over 4,000, but to voters.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't really know, actually.
Speaker B:I kind of forgot, but it's over 4,000.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I enjoyed making that, trying to make that little bit of a difference in the world.
Speaker B:And I love my 100 day dress challenge.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:And all the subsequent dress challenges that I've done with the Wooland company to wear, you turned me onto that.
Speaker A:Like, so I did turn you on to Woolland.
Speaker A:And like so many of the things I turned you on to, you embraced it wholeheartedly and have continued with it.
Speaker A:And I have left it and gone on to do something.
Speaker A:I mean, but with wool, I didn't, you know, just decide I couldn't wear it.
Speaker A:You've grown too sensitive to wool and cannot wear wool.
Speaker A:It's so sad to me, which makes me really sad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I love it so much.
Speaker B:So when you told me about it, we're on the phone, I think we were podcasting or getting ready to record, and I looked it up and saw this dress.
Speaker B:100 days, wear it for 100 days in a row.
Speaker B:I'm like, I like that I don't have to think about what to wear for 100 days.
Speaker B:Bought it, wore it the day it arrived, and wore it every day for 100 days.
Speaker B:And now that's all I wear, is those clothes.
Speaker B:But I don't wear that particular dress.
Speaker B:And although I still have it, but it looked just like this dress, except it was black.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's a very simple dress.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I appreciate Your.
Speaker B:You, like, you changed my whole sartorial life with that suggestion.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Because now you've, like, everything you wear is natural fibers, primarily wool.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And you wear wool every day.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's August in St. Louis, and it's in the 90s and humid, and I'm wearing wool.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I remember that when I was there a year ago, and it was unbelievably hot and humid, and I cannot.
Speaker A:It doesn't matter what I'm wearing.
Speaker A:It's uncomfortable.
Speaker B:And you had on wool, but it's merino wool, breathable.
Speaker B:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:You know, it's not.
Speaker B:I was wearing this.
Speaker B:I wore a sleeveless dress today when I walked Bix.
Speaker B:That was a sleeveless wool dress.
Speaker B:But, yeah, it's just how it is for me.
Speaker B:It's great.
Speaker B:And people think.
Speaker B:I mean, think it's a little crazy, but, you know, and also bare legs.
Speaker B:I'm wearing bare legs, so that's something.
Speaker B:That's a concussion, too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But, yeah, you started.
Speaker B:You told me you were gonna start knitting.
Speaker B:You had some friends you were knitting with.
Speaker B:I'm like, that sounds like fun.
Speaker B:And so I started knitting, and I'm still knitting.
Speaker B:And that was 10, 20 years ago.
Speaker A:20 years ago.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker A:You turned me on dolls, and I knit two things.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Since.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You turned me on to Ynab, and we're both still doing that.
Speaker A:We are both still doing that.
Speaker A:It took a while to get you to embrace it.
Speaker B:It took so.
Speaker B:It took years to get me to embrace it, I think.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But, boy, now how much do you love it?
Speaker B:I love it to the universe and back.
Speaker B:I love it so much that, like, you, I've taken training to help other people with Ynab, and, yeah, it is.
Speaker B:It changed my financial life and really so much around my emotional life because I used to have so much stress about money that I no longer have, thanks to this amazing app and philosophies.
Speaker B:Basically, I have a policy that if you suggest something for me, I'll do it.
Speaker B:Unless it.
Speaker B:I mean, because I trust you now so much.
Speaker B:Like you would never suggest I go climb a mountain so I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:So if you think it would be good for me, I know it would be.
Speaker B:And it's the key to my success.
Speaker A:If I.
Speaker A:If I tell you to do it, I'll do it.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:And then I'm successful, so.
Speaker B:Plus, you were.
Speaker B:You were my life coach and.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I was one of your first clients, I believe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we Don't.
Speaker B:Thanks to you getting my head screwed on so tight, I don't have to use your overt services that often.
Speaker B:I don't have to schedule a session very often.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I owe it all to Shannon.
Speaker A:Well, thank you.
Speaker B:You're welcome.
Speaker A:I think there's a lot more to it than that because you have this tremendous ability that I am envious of, of sticking with things and.
Speaker B:But only fun things.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, right, of course.
Speaker A:I mean, duh.
Speaker A:That's our philosophy here at getting to good enough.
Speaker B:And in a future episode, I would love to have talk with you about motivating me to do some things.
Speaker B:Things that are good for me but less fun.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Well, I was going to say that sometimes fun, particularly as we've described the things that I have a tendency to do, I find challenging things fun.
Speaker A:Like physically challenging things.
Speaker A:I like to try new things and I like it to be.
Speaker B:Hard.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not 100 sure that I could do it, but I'm pretty sure that I can do it.
Speaker A:Like, I know it's possible.
Speaker B:You're talking physically.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:I mean, it's been primarily physical, but sometimes it's writing a novel in a month.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, this is the year.
Speaker B:I think if we're gonna keep our schedule.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:We write it.
Speaker B:We write a novel every five years, right?
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker B:And I think this.
Speaker A:Yeah, this might be it.
Speaker B:I know I haven't written one in a while.
Speaker B:We don't have to do it, though.
Speaker A: last one we did, I think, was: Speaker B:We like a challenge, but I don't like a physical challenge.
Speaker B:I like a mental challenge a lot or a discipline challenge, but physical challenges do not appeal to me.
Speaker A:I'm glad that we have our separate stuff we do and so much that we have in common because that's what I think makes this podcast so fun and interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker B:It makes it so much fun for us to talk to each other in a semi structured manner on a weekly basis.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So to our listeners, if you have questions for us, you want to know more, you, anything you're curious about, you can let us know on social media.
Speaker A: leave a voice note, which is: Speaker A:Oh, I'm going to have to find out what it is.
Speaker B:Keep talking.
Speaker B:I'll look it up.
Speaker A:But we're also on Facebook getting to good enough on Instagram at Getting to Good Enough and we would love to hear from you.
Speaker B:I have the phone number.
Speaker A:Oh good.
Speaker B:It's 413-424.
Speaker B:GTGE.
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Speaker B:See you soon.
Speaker A:I was right.
Speaker A:I was just afraid to say it wrong.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, I guess wrong would have been worse than nothing, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, that wrong would have been not good enough, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
